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Yep, that's why networked audio is going to be the way it's done.  We are actively looking into this, and various options.

In the mean time, look for "Tower" PCs - you will usually have a much better shot having one with PCI slots, or at least full-height PCIe.

Bob
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Bug Reports & Feature Requests / Re: GUI 10.135 bugs
« Last post by jlepore on Today at 01:36:42 AM »
Here's one more for the thread.

A channel set to DCA Safe will draw it's shadow fader incorrectly.  Audio behaves as expected (stays the same despite moving the DCA) but the shadow will move (as if the channel wasn't safed).  Just a UI issue, but thought I'd mention it.  The other issues in this thread are far more serious.
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I've been having an interesting few weeks.  My computers to run AMP have been getting longer in the tooth for a while now but being away from home and them seeing little use for the better part of year has seemed to take it's toll.  I've been having lots of little odd failures.  Some I figured out just needed a new CMOS battery.  Fairly simple.  Others just seem to be giving up the ghost, not sure if it's motherboard or power supply, RAM, who knows..  not worth the hassle to figure out for systems from an XP or Vista vintage really.

So I got some new systems (refurbised).  One at Microcenter and two on eBay.  Microcenter didn't have anything with full height slots made by Lenovo.  So I got an HP.  Mistake!  This thing is built like crap.  All was fine while I was getting AMP set up and drivers installed, etc..  Dropped the MOTU 424 card in.  All still good.  Plug in the firewire cable that hooks up the I/O boxes to the 424 card and the machine crashes.  Won't reboot.  Finally figure out that the opening for the slot is very narrow and the firewire cable is touching the sides of the slot.  It must be shorting something out because no matter what I did, the machine would't boot with that cable hooked up.  Remove cable, boots fine.  There was some little metal shield around the slots, tried removing that, no change.  Sum up, this machine is now worthless except at a GUI machine. 

OK, how about the two Lenovos I picked up on eBay.  Open them up....  Oppps!  They only have PCIe card slots.  And I only have one 424 PCIe card, which is in use in a show.  Great.. also worthless. 

Just wasted several hours trying to make something work but I guess I'm going to have to go to the show that is running and swap that PCIe card for a PCI card in that machine so I could drop the PCIe into one of these Lenovos.  And hopefully they will work.

Sorry to vent.  Just frustrated.  And the next solution for audio interfaces, whatever that ends up being, will NOT be reliant on a PCI or PCIe card.  Nope, no more.  I'm done.  All sorts of great little machines out with built in Thunderbolt and/or USB 3.  But few with card slots.  And I'm just not interested in going back to building my own.  Not to mention that now days that costs two to three times more, unlike when I started with computer audio and rolling your own saved you money.

I'm still on the fence about what path I will end up.  But I know I've narrowed one thing down.  No more card slots.  Even if it's Dante, it will be thunderbolt or USB to the host computer.
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Bug Reports & Feature Requests / Re: GUI 10.135 bugs
« Last post by jlepore on October 19, 2018, 09:26:20 PM »
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Hitting any select button crashed GUI.

Window handling in general seems messed up. Saving GUI config and restarting generates random window layouts in both position and quantity of windows. Also title bar states don't seem to be remembered in the layouts.
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Bug Reports & Feature Requests / GUI 10.135 bugs
« Last post by jlepore on October 19, 2018, 03:43:00 PM »
Save window set only saves the first 8 windows.
On a config with 11 windows it only wrote 8 to the file. If I manually update the file to the 11 windows, it will load them. If I then try to resave it to a new file, it only writes 8 of them.


Motormix controllers.
Have 2 motormix with SAC chip modification, so both on Midi controller 1, channels 1 & 2. Tried both the current motormix config files as well as my previously modified versions so it is not a file issue.
Unit 1 works properly.  Unit 2 has issues.  Amp can set the correct names on the controller.  Solo and mutes work properly. Fader input from controller to host works properly. Fader output from host to controller effects the corresponding channels on the first controller.  This happens in both floating and fixed channel assign modes.

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WDL Hacking / Re: Fixed wdl
« Last post by brettbrandon on October 16, 2018, 08:37:49 PM »
I have never messed with it but it looks like you can take care of this here maybe?

See attached pic...
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WDL Hacking / Re: Fixed wdl
« Last post by brettbrandon on October 14, 2018, 12:56:23 PM »
Have you tried closing all the window header bars?
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WDL Hacking / Fixed wdl
« Last post by jeremyjo on October 14, 2018, 11:39:09 AM »
I have used several different WDLs but I'm noticing that musicians and volunteer frequently have issues with WDLs getting closed or resized and they can't use the GUI.

I use the Lock WSL feature and try to make things hard to break, but I'm wondering if there is a way to make a little more locked down personal monitor mixer with mix select wdl. Someway to lock position and size more strong?

Any ideas? This is on tablets that are used for musicians to adjust their mixes. So, generally, just faders, pans, mutes and mix select. Maybe more important is somehow locking the GUI layout more strong so it's hard(er) to blow up the GUI layout?

Actually, on the tablets, I really like the way the web GUI operates, but I miss View Groups and there are some color tweaks I wish for on the web gui. Also, I personally don't like the way the slider pan works on the  GUI with a touch screen. To me the rotary control is more usable.

Just asking...

Thanks

J
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General Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Auto Updates
« Last post by jlepore on October 05, 2018, 02:57:02 AM »
I do use Pro.  When it came out, they said if it was a domain connected machine, it would not force the updates to allow system administrators to coordinate when updates were allowed to be applied.  They got rid of that option at some point.

I do tend to try to find hours when there's nothing going on and let it run and do all of it's updates, but somehow I got bit by it downloading one that it decided not to apply right away, and it managed to do it during a show. I was only connected to my Dante network (so definitely no internet access) and it still decided to just do it and reboot while I was recording.
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General Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Auto Updates
« Last post by brettbrandon on October 03, 2018, 07:35:14 PM »
The Pro version comes with what is called "Windows Update for Business".

"In Windows 10 Pro you get the option to defer updates, but this option doesn't really exist in Home. Microsoft forces patches and updates to Home machines automatically. You can stop them for a few hours, but that's it, even in the latest Creators Update.

The ability to defer is designed to prevent buggy updates from affecting business PCs, and updates can be put off for several months
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